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John Warner's avatar

So much to chew on here, as usual. I think you zero in on the ultimate crux of this technology, which is it's a challenge to figuring out what we value, and it's possible that some of us will not like those answers, or that only certain groups will have the privilege of doing work that reflects their values.

Those songs, like the recently released Suno videos are simultaneously amazing and also soulless and shitty. Of course, there's lots of popular songs that are soulless and shitty, so it's not like soulless and shitty are barriers to market success.

As with AI writing we've also been prepped for accepting soulless and shitty by the steady templatization of music, both in terms of production (using ProTools, which tunes every voice and keeps tempo rock steady), and form (there's hardly any bridges in popular music today). Maybe we've been conditioned to accept something that is just not good and we've lost touch with what's meaningful.

There's something very satisfying about learning an instrument in terms of advancing one's individual mastery and appreciating that progress, but it's possible none of that will "matter" in the broad scheme of producing music for public consumption.

Seems like this is all true for writing as well.

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Michael Spencer's avatar

Consumer AI apps have a really high turnover Generative AI is demonstrating. For every Stability or Midjourney, a Leonardo or Ideogram magically shows up to do what they can do more or less for cheaper or better. Hard to take AI tools or app seriously in such an environment of music chairs tbh.

As impressive as Suno or Udio might be, I think for ChatGPT or Sora, it's only an invitation for more apps like them to come and go.

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